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Am I the only one; Who is massively disappointed with transfer window
Topic Started: Sep 1 2017, 02:51 AM (2,631 Views)
n0166895
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Our cm, imo, has gone backwards. We have brought in n'doye who has been incredibly poor, lacks a decent first touch, poor in possession and awful distribution. Lowe, a cast off from Blackburn who all their fans ridicule for being so bad and a young kid friendly Everton that nobodies heard of.

We have released kieftenbeld, yes he is limited in possession but he is mobile puts himself about and is probably our most improved player over that last year. and he has gone for 600k......ridiculous.

Yes we have signed decent players going forward and at the back.....hopefully, but without a decent cm any team is in trouble.

The fact that Lowe is only on a 1 year contract and Walsh has signed on loan. Just till January, tells me even harry is not sure on them.

We still have gleeson and grounds in our team......both incredibly out of their depth in this division.

We have released or loaned out Frei, fabbrini, keita, Donaldson, keift, shotton, players who all offer something and have ability and replaced them with mainly loans. Yes we broke our record on jota but 6 mill is nothing this day and age.

All in all our board have probably broke even financially this transfer window when taking o to account wages etc. It doesn't strike me as a board that is ambitious.

Again our cm needed strengthening more than anything and it looks to me to be worst than before the window. I hate to say it, and this is controversial, but I think we are in big trouble this season.
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krokid
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Agree that we are still short in the centre of midfield. We can only hope N'Doye improves and helps us dominate in midfield more. We should now have a better ability to not only defend, but also counter attack and be incisive in the final third of the pitch. Our ability to put more pressure on teams in an attackig sense, could now become our best form of defense. Teams will not want to put too many players forward in an attack when Jota and Boga are able to break with pace.

I'm overall happy, slightly concerned on CM, but let's hope we start seeing the best out of our midfielders now we have changed the squad up.
Edited by krokid, Sep 1 2017, 03:00 AM.
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scudwalker
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I think you are over reacting a bit most of the players you mention with the exception of Shotts are poor players and Fab is injured. Do not forget we still have Davis and Gardner who with a bit of quality around them could perform so much better.

As for the rest of the squad we are now in a fantastic position to be able to defend with confidence and break at a pace long forgotten at Blues and maybe we can now even get the ball in the net.

The proof of the pudding as they say will be what happens on the pitch.
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cypoblueinnz
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YES
is there no pleasing some fans
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cypoblueinnz
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The question - of all our new signings which one will receive the status of legend in years to come...surely one will.
Watch this space and enjoy
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willvbcfc
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Our squad has been improved drastically.

Finally we have some pace and skill in attack.

We have real options in defence.

And even though it would've been nice to get one marquee CM through the door, we shouldn't write off the likes of Lowe & the young Everton lad before they've even kicked a ball for us.

We also should be under no illusions that a Davis/N'Doye/Gardner midfield combo is still miles better than what we had 12 months ago.
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n0166895
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willvbcfc
Sep 1 2017, 07:07 AM
Our squad has been improved drastically.

Finally we have some pace and skill in attack.

We have real options in defence.

And even though it would've been nice to get one marquee CM through the door, we shouldn't write off the likes of Lowe & the young Everton lad before they've even kicked a ball for us.

We also should be under no illusions that a Davis/N'Doye/Gardner midfield combo is still miles better than what we had 12 months ago.
Cannot believe people are thinking n'doye has improved our cm!!!!

I'm only basing my opinion on what I've seen.......n'doye is close to the worst footballer I've seen in the last decade put a blues shirt on. People can say, he needs to get match fit, he'll come good etc. He cannot control a ball when under pressure, he has the worst passing in our team by a country mile. Harry knows this as he's had to take him off already in almost every game.

Bare in mind he has and more of a pre season than most players. Watch him for 5 minutes especially when in possession and it's obvious he is nowhere near good enough. Mark my words, best he can hope for in a few weeks is a place on the bench.

I'm so disappointed with our most important part of the pitch. Gutted in fact, really fearing the worst
Edited by n0166895, Sep 1 2017, 07:17 AM.
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The Concerned Potato Head
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The biggest winner of the window is probably David Davis

Kief gone
Ndoye out of form
Gleeson out of form and lucky to still be here
Onazi, Badu, Acquah and Song deals falling through
Only bringing a young lad on loan from Everton who Harry probably won't trust at this level
Having an offer for him rejected by the club signalling their faith in him

He's got a big opportunity to make himself a key part of the team

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It puts David Davis right at the front of what we need to do as a team, so it's a big opportunity for him. Let's see what team and formation Harry puts out, as I suspect that it won't be as reliant on CM.
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willvbcfc
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Regardless of this transfer window, David Davis should be at the forefront of what we're trying to do. His performances last season earned him that right.

As for N'Doye - I urge you to give him another 10 games or so, then judge him.
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Steve101
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n0166895
Sep 1 2017, 07:16 AM
willvbcfc
Sep 1 2017, 07:07 AM
Our squad has been improved drastically.

Finally we have some pace and skill in attack.

We have real options in defence.

And even though it would've been nice to get one marquee CM through the door, we shouldn't write off the likes of Lowe & the young Everton lad before they've even kicked a ball for us.

We also should be under no illusions that a Davis/N'Doye/Gardner midfield combo is still miles better than what we had 12 months ago.
Cannot believe people are thinking n'doye has improved our cm!!!!

I'm only basing my opinion on what I've seen.......n'doye is close to the worst footballer I've seen in the last decade put a blues shirt on. People can say, he needs to get match fit, he'll come good etc. He cannot control a ball when under pressure, he has the worst passing in our team by a country mile. Harry knows this as he's had to take him off already in almost every game.

Bare in mind he has and more of a pre season than most players. Watch him for 5 minutes especially when in possession and it's obvious he is nowhere near good enough. Mark my words, best he can hope for in a few weeks is a place on the bench.

I'm so disappointed with our most important part of the pitch. Gutted in fact, really fearing the worst
For God's sake cheer up!


Snap out of the gloom and doom.

80% of football is played between the ears and is down to attitude!

Same goes for supporters - lighten up!

Your post makes me feel miserable.
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mezz20
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Dutch Mike went for a deal worth 2 mill

The team has improved massively that cannot be denied, we now have quite a few attacking players that could get into any other Championship team which 6 months ago that was a pipe dream.

Plus coupled with the fact (like him or not) we do have the best manager in the division that is not even open for discussion. He said himself if it doesn't work blame him now he got the players he wanted.

I'm really excited about our front line now we have some real creative players behind them, I would stress it will take 3-4 games for them to gel also we won't suddenly go to Norwich and win 3-0!
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david_speedie
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The kid from Everton is only here until January so i think Harry has plans to get who he wants in the next window.
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elseb
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The fact is the team we have had for the last few seasons has not been good enough. They had their chance and unfortunately decisions have had to be made and we've had to take a chance. Think Harry has done some great work.
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cmacatini
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Most exciting transfer deadline day for us I can ever remember!
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shakespeare38
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Sep 1 2017, 09:33 AM
The kid from Everton is only here until January so i think Harry has plans to get who he wants in the next window.
Exactly Speedie , HR number one priority for January window is defensive powerhouse or two, let's hope , Davis , Garnder , Ndoye, or the other two lads can play in those two central roles .
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Blacksmith
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I'm really excited by these transfers. My goodness, we've waited long enough since our relegation from the Premier League.

All credit to our previous managers who had to exist by bringing in players who no one else wanted or who were untried at this level, all bought for peanuts. That we are still in this division after all that is an achievement, but now we need to move on and look with excitement at the players Harry has brought in.

I'm sure we will see Harry address the midfield position in January. He thought he had pulled of a coup with Song, but when that went through he had to act quickly, which he did.

I want to see us being positive, both on the pitch with the players and off it with the supporters. Let's see how the season pans out instead of being negative before Harry has had chance to mould these players into a cohesive unit.

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KennyBurns
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I can very much see a 3-4-1-2 formation with Jota pulling the strings across the pitch linking with the front two..who will be very mobile. I think we've seen the last of David Davis doing 'a job' at wide midfield. He's far more effective centrally. The width will come from the wing-backs as we know. Interesting times though!
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lowdham bluenose
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Crikey over the last ten years it is me who is one of those to offer a reality check and not be a wearer of blue specs but this transfer market has made me a bit more excited and content.

Stockdale - a great signing. Last seasons keeper of the season in the Championship.
Roberts - a good CB and Barnsley fans were well-peed off to lose him
Jenkinson - an excellent FB/CB. (he'll be back end Novemebr)
Dean - again a good CB and the Brentford fans are not too happy about losing him
Colin - he seems to be well-regarded by Brentford fans. Seems good to me.
N'Doye - let's give him a few more games, especially now he has better players to work with
Boga - I am excited about this midfielder
Jota - Again I am excited with this one. He oozes skill and flair, goal-making and goal scoring.
Vassell - Anything is better than Jukietcz and Donaldson.
Gallagher - Young with potential and has already started to prove himself.Again, anything is better than Jutkiecz and Donaldson.

Bramall - young but with potential
Walsh - a star of Everton's academy. Let's hope 'arry gives him a go.
Lowe - mmm, well there's always one.

That's 13 new faces 'Arry has brought in and I am looking forward to seeing them bed in and march us up the league. **thumbup


Edited by lowdham bluenose, Sep 1 2017, 10:36 AM.
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PA_nomore!
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Guy is probably trolling from b6 boards

They're scared now..
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BlueBrummie
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I'm happy, roll on our next few games. KRO
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charliedontsurf
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"Massively disappointed." Massive? As in "Exceptionally large"? You were exceptionally disappointed? After signing much-coveted players for the first time in ages? After actually outbidding other teams for the first time in ages? After signing players who for the most part fit into a good age range, and are not the list of has-beens many predicted? Fair enough, your call. :silence:

Of course, the other definition of Massive is "A large mass", and I'm sorry but my call is that there really is a mass of scare-mongering ill-informed nonsense in the original post.


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We have released kieftenbeld, yes he is limited in possession but he is mobile puts himself about and is probably our most improved player over that last year. and he has gone for 600k......ridiculous.


Kief was a good player in the 'typical' Blues Fashion of recent seasons. A fashion that offers endeavour and energy, but which has seen us become somewhat dour and increasingly blunt as any kind of attacking force. If we didn't have a player in Kief's image, then we should have kept him. Luckily we do: last year's player of the season, and the actual most improved player, David Davis. The fact we turned down approaches for Derby for DD and that Kief was their back-up speaks volumes. It also suggests Harry has come to the realisation that Davis is indeed a central midfielder, and we will be playing last year's player of the season (worth re-iterating said fact in the post-Kief meltdown) in his best position. There aren't many who do that destructive role better than him in our division.

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We have released or loaned out Frei, fabbrini, keita, Donaldson, keift, shotton, players who all offer something and have ability and replaced them with mainly loans.


So what exactly did Frei and Fab really, genuinely offer in the end? In a team that was bereft of flair, a wasteland of the workmanlike, they offered tantilising flashes. All too often flattered to deceive, offering little of substance. A turn here, a cross there, a lovely free kick. But what else? I was tempted to say when have they done it consistently - but it would probably be more accurate to say when have they just done it at all? As for Don? Absolutely loved him to bits in his first couple of seasons and he carried Clark/Rowett's team for a year and a half. There's a thread on SHA now entitled 'The Clayton Donaldson Appreciation Thread.' 50 posts eulogsing the guy - and he deserves it. But he is 33, and injuries and international duty have ground him down. He deserves a heroes welcome when he returns, and also deserves the chance to play at a club where he will not be fifth choice.

And the loans we have brought in are considered some of the best young players around right now. A bit like when Boro signed Bamford on loan, or Watford signed Chalobah on loan. Or even like when we signed Larsson, Muamba and Bendtner. That worked out alright. We've traded in tried-and-failed for young and exciting.


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Yes we broke our record on jota but 6 mill is nothing this day and age.


You're right. Six million is a relatively small amount to pay for one of the most talented players in the division, a player who scored 12 goals in 21 games from the wing and garnered 5 assists. A player who every single club in our division would have signed if their fans had their way. Some clubs, such as Derby have page after page after page hoping and praying and hoping some more that they sign him. But they didn't. We did. For half the price that Vile paid for a striker who cannot even make his way past his electric gate. We've got a bargain, and other teams are staring at us with envy and consternation. Interesting that you bat aside the signing of a player with such a proven record and don't mention the Brentford fans' reactions to him leaving, but focus on how Blackburn fans didn't rate Lowe. Did you deliberately go searching for the negative, or is this a bit of selective editing?


True, I would have liked a new, proven CDM, but here's a caveat: with our increased attacking impetus, that role becomes less crucial anyway. Why do we spend so much time defending? Why was it crucial to stuff the midfield with three ratters that blurred into a Kiefenteschvis homogeneous blur of grit and flailing tackles and blood and yellow cards? Because with an increasingly immobile front line and flair players like Frei and Fab sulking and diving, the ball kept coming back and back and back. Rowett had no choice but to work with that approach. Harry has a choice - and he would clearly like to see us on the front foot. I just hope the gerrintoem and smackitforward and kickizeadin brigade don't suddenly soil themselves when they see the likes of Boga and Jota trying to actually play football.

No, such payers may not run around like Kief and co, but here's the thing. For the past few seasons, we've watched team after team play us and demonstrate skill and finesse that we could only dream of. We had to make do with sweat and tears and granite, which was fine for a while. But things had started to slide under Rowett, Zola was obviously an inept and shambolic catastrophe, but it was clear that some players had either downed tools or had run out of steam. The same has been evident under Harry. We could have tried to plough the same furrow in increasingly futile circles, but Harry has realised there needs to be a fundamental culture change. Not a Zola-esque "lets play tikki takka to nobody nowhere for no purpose" aimless style, but a fast-paced and energetic forward-thinking team that can actually use the ball in the opposition half. It'll be the most fun we've had since Hughton.


And if you're still massively disappointed with the window, let's consider the following:

- We've swapped an aging, increasingly error-prone goalkeeper for last season's official best keeper in the division.

- We've replaced the erratic Nsue with a highly-rated very classy right back whose fans are gutted to see him go.

- We now have three CBs who were all captain at their respective clubs.

- We've signed the stand out creative midfielder/forward in the division.

- In N'Doye and Gardner we have players who have proven their quality elsewhere. They may have both had a couple of poor games lately, but N'Doye certainly did a sound job against Ipswich and shone against Bristol. Gardner is the ideal super-sub, coming on to menace the edge of the opposition area.

- We've signed a pacy wide player who has already started this season for Chelsea's first team. He was good enough to start for the Champions of England.

- We've signed a player from Everton's youth squad who they absolutely rave about (and they have a history of bright young things.)

- We've signed a forward from Southampton who is highly-rated and attracted late Premier League attention.

- We've not sold anybody we didn't want to sell for the first time in ages - Che and Davis stayed.


Considering a couple of weeks back our forward line was Don and Juke being fed by Davis on one wing and Mags on the other, I think there's really an awful lot to be cheerful about.

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charliedontsurf
Sep 1 2017, 11:12 AM
Like it. And with Ross Barkley's U-turn during his medical last night we can have...

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TBone
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All very well charliedontsurf, BUT...can you pay by chip 'n pin/contactless at the food counters?!
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neiloi
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Totally disagree - much better squad - Boga and Jota are on a different level to what we had before. Remember we have got rid of players from a team that was nearly relegated from the Championship. They obviously aren't that good - in fact our team was really poor. And people are worried because we are selling those types of players! I'm glad we have overhauled the team - we needed to because we would have been relegation candidates. KRO
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